Showing posts with label Audits - Be Nice. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Audits - Be Nice. Show all posts

Monday, March 05, 2012

Great Article: First Impressions Matter in a Sales Tax Audit

Birding at Cantigny

from salestaxsupport.com and Lloyd Geggatt 

Years ago, I had the opportunity to talk shop with guy in charge of the sales tax auditors for a BIG state.  He basically said, "if you're professional with the auditor, they'll be professional with you."  This article gives you details on how to be professional.  Enjoy the article.




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Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Great Article: Sales Tax Audits - If Nothing Goes In, What Can Come Out?


He's got his eye on you

from salestaxsupport.com and Lloyd Geggatt

If you don't provide the auditor with the information they need, they have to use "indirect" methods of figuring out what your sales were.  You don't want that.  There are two parts to this article - a story about a very uncooperative taxpayer, and the nitty gritty details of the cost plus markup indirect audit method.  Enjoy the article.




This link is part of a series called "Excellent articles that I wish I had written."  The short name is "Great Articles." 

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Monday, January 23, 2012

One way of treating your auditors

The Last Boss


Years ago, I was the controller of a company with a very cooperative owner.    "Chet" had a pretty luxurious office with TV, video games, bar, lots of space including a private gym, and his own shower and bathroom.  He had also hired a very competent secretary by the name of Jane (and in those days, they were actually called "secretaries").  Truth be told, Jane pretty much ran the company.  Chet just went along for the ride.

By the way, the picture is not of Chet, but I thought this article could use a mildly relevant illustration.

Whenever we got word that the sales tax auditor (or any other enemy auditor) was coming, we'd tell Chet he had to go on the road for a couple of weeks.  His response was, "Got auditors coming, eh?  Great!  I've got to get out of here anyway.  Jane!  What customers should I go visit?"

So we would put the auditors in Chet's office and told them they'd have it for three weeks - until Chet returned.  And Jane continued in her role as secretary, but now she was the mother hen for the auditors instead of Chet.  And she did even more for them than she did for Chet.  She NEVER got Chet coffee, but she'd bring the auditors coffee, pop, snacks, make copies for them, etc.  She'd even order lunch in for them.  And she kept the door to their office closed so they'd have "privacy."  She would also "sssshhhhh" any conversations among the other executives that might be occurring outside of Chet's door so the auditors didn't hear anything embarrassing. If the auditors needed to go anywhere in the company she would escort them.  The auditors were isolated pretty effectively from the staff of the company.  Jane enjoyed her job as the auditor's "guard."

And the auditors lived in the lap of luxury for three weeks.  But ONLY three weeks.  They knew that, when Chet returned, they would be relocated to the dimly lit room in the sub-basement behind the furnace where we used to keep the asbestos.  They were motivated, in other words, to wrap it up.  

Just kidding...about the asbestos part.

We never knew exactly what they did for those three weeks, but they usually missed really important things that we worried about them catching.  One IRS auditor completely blew the LIFO inventory adjustment, for example.

If you don't know what that is, rest assured it was a big "estimate" on our part.  It's the kind of thing you REALLY don't want the auditors to ask questions about.

Every day, those auditors seemed to go home well rested. And that was important because we cared about the health of state and federal employees.

Whenever we put the auditors in Chet's office, we always had very fair, reasonable assessments.  And we never found the need to appeal.  Amazing.


This article was inspired by revisiting this one.  I've often talked about this story in seminars, but never wrote it up.  And touching up the old post convinced me to do this entry.



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Saturday, August 16, 2008

Don’t Trust Auditors


First of all, in the event that there are any auditors reading this, there are good people doing this job, including you. I’ve met a few. In fact, when I actually was an accountant, I’ve been lucky enough to have mostly good auditors. There was that time when one of them had to keep leaving early to testify before a grand jury. But that’s another story.

Most of what I talk about here are stories and examples that I’ve heard from people in my seminars, or from actual conversations with auditors. I think that most of you who are reading this, who are auditors, would agree with me. You shouldn’t be the only source of information for your victims. That’s the point of this article. Taxpayers shouldn’t trust auditors for these reasons:

1. Auditors are not necessarily well-educated accountants.

They may not even have a degree in accounting! I had one guy in my class who described an audit where he had to spend an entire afternoon with an auditor explaining depreciation to him. Now I learned about depreciation in freshman year in college. I’ll admit I had some problems with sum-of-years-digits, but I got straight-line pretty fast. If you have to teach an auditor about depreciation, do you really want to rely on him for tax information?

The state revenue department doesn’t get the top graduates either. They go on to jobs with large companies, CPA firms, graduate school, etc. The rest of the business world and the IRS gets most of the rest of the good folks. Let’s put it a different way…I know of no one who got a degree in accounting, with high honors, who skipped the recruiting fair and went directly to work for the state revenue department.

Keep in mind, for the most part, a front-line auditor’s job consists of looking at invoices all day, working in miserable spaces, surrounded by people who hate you. Not a great way to attract the best talent.

2. They usually receive bad training.

A couple of years ago, I had a group of auditors in my seminar. When I asked them at the break why they were in the meeting, they said that it was their in-service training for the entire year! One 6 hour seminar, that is at a general, introductory/intermediate level, was their training for the entire year? And this was not a small, backwater place either. But frankly, from the looks on their faces, and the questions they were asking, an introductory seminar probably was the right place for them to be.

A former auditor was in my class recently who described her new-hire training as an auditor. On the first day, after she had taken care of the paperwork, etc., her boss handed her the state audit manual and said, “Read this. You’re going out on your first auditor tomorrow. Solo.” So, after half a day of reading a manual, this recent accounting graduate was out there auditing companies, putting them threw hell, giving them bad information, etc. And all because the state only did training for new recruits every quarter.

There are some states that take auditor training seriously. I get the sense that most don’t.

So don’t assume your auditor even knows the law. At best, if they paid attention in class, they know what the trainer wants them to know. And trust me, they don’t memorize the statues and regulations.

3. They’re job is to get money.

Given that you’re dealing with auditors who are not necessarily well educated, and haven’t been well trained, the capper is that they’re told to go out and get money. So they will do what they can. Which means they will interpret the law badly, possibly not even follow the law, or maybe even intentionally bluff you. And I’ve heard lots of stories about all of these situations.

What can you do?

Don’t trust them! Make them show you where the law says you have to do it this way. If it’s the law, it’s written down. If they say, “well, that’s how we do things,” then you’ve got some room to maneuver. I call that an undocumented enforcement policy. It isn’t the law. Although a badly trained auditor may think it’s the law.

To me, the best way of keeping an auditor in line is to have a sales and use tax expert (not a generic lawyer or accountant) in on the meetings. This way they know that you’ve got someone in your corner who knows more than they do. They’ll be more careful, and they will be less inclined to bluff. And if you can’t afford your own expert, then make sure the auditor knows that you’re not going to be a pushover. Research these issues as they come up using whatever resources your boss will spring for. But make sure the auditor knows you intend to be smarter than them.

Sales Tax Guy

And again, apologies to all those good auditors out there.

Wednesday, November 21, 2007

Where do we put the auditor

Don't put them next to AP. One participant in a seminar several years ago said that the auditor had been there for over a year and was now engaged to one of her AP specialists. This is not a good thing.

Find someplace for them far away from other human beings. Make them comfortable and be professional, but isolate them. The objectives are that they don't get too comfortable, and that they don't have the opportunity to overhear conversations.

Don't let them near the lunchroom or the copier room. Provide them with coffee, pop and offer to get snacks for them. If they need copies made, do that for them. Anytime they venture beyond their assigned office, they should be escorted by the audit contact who is yelling, "Auditor's coming! Shut up!"

Friday, November 09, 2007

Be nice to your auditor

As Patrick Swayze says in the movie Road House, "be nice."

Do not tell your staff, "You know that room in basement, behind the furnace, where we used to keep the asbestos? Put the auditor there. And whatever you do, don't let him have any Krispy Kremes"

Be nice.

I'll talk about the geographic placement of the auditor in another article, so let's talk about some other things to do.

1. If you get notification of what the auditor is going to be looking at, familiarize yourself with that law, and any forms and publications before the audit happens. This will help when dealing with questions and issues. See below.

2. Have an audit contact. This person will be involved in every meeting and will review all paperwork going to the auditor. This way, you have one person who knows everything that is being communicated to the auditor. This person will hopefully be able to build a relationship with the auditor, and see issues coming before they get out of hand. And it's not bad to have a witness to every conversation with the auditor.

Beware, however, of making the audit contact a tool of obstructionism. You want the auditor to do their job and get out of your hair. I don't recommend obfuscating and playing games resulting in they're feeling the need to stay for years.

3. Answer their questions, but don't volunteer more than is necessary.

4. When questions or issues come up, try to research them and resolve them as quickly as possible. It helps if you've done your research early (see above). You want to avoid problems being formally noted in the auditor's work papers. When that happens, it becomes harder to brush them aside. Managers get involved, formalities kick in, etc.

5. Most auditors are not experts in sales and use tax law. They know how to audit and they can follow their audit manual, but that may be the level of their sophistication. I had a guy in my seminar once whose auditor claimed to have a college degree. Even so, he had to spend half a day with the "graduate" explaining depreciation to him. So, if an auditor says something, don't assume they are correct. Ask them, in a non-confrontational way, for citations and research it yourself. "You know, it's not that I don't believe you. But could you show me where it says that because my boss is going to want to see something on this."

6. Consider wasting their time. If the auditor is only assigned for two weeks, consider making them less efficient than they would otherwise be. Take 'em out for long alcohol-related lunches. Engage in long bull sessions.

The controller for a video game company told me how they would put auditors in the show room. Employees would constantly whisper to him,"Hey, the auditors are in the showroom playing video games!" The controller would respond, "That's just what we want them to do!"

7. Be nice. I've had more than one auditor tell me that if they are treated professionally, they will be professional as well.

Here are some other articles about what to do during an audit.

Sales Tax Guy

Friday, June 03, 2005

Predatory Auditors - a "Harvest" Audit

Corn

This sort of thing doesn't happen all the time, and may never happen at all in your state. But this particular practice is worth noting to give you some ideas about avoiding similar trouble.

One seminar participant reported that an auditor had stayed for over 2 years (and was still there when she was at the seminar).  In that time, he had managed to get engaged to one of the AP specialists. The state wouldn't close the audit but stayed on site, not so much to find more dirt on the taxpayer under audit, but to continue to go through their files looking for other companies to audit. It was, in their words, a "harvest" audit.

Frankly, it sounded like the revenuers back at the state office building didn't want this guy to come back and were happy to have parked him someplace else.  And he was happy to stay, for the obvious reasons. 

How do you avoid this?  Don't let auditors get too comfortable. Be professional and put them in a hospitable location. But restrict access to just key audit contacts. Physically isolate them as far from others in the office as possible (particularly AP), and establish some time limits.

Here's one situation where it's OK to let the auditors be comfortable.

And for God's sake, keep them away from your AP staff!  That is, unless you feel like buying a shower present, then a wedding gift and, probably at some point in time, a baby shower gift.  Ugh.




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See the disclaimer - this is for education only.  Research these issues thoroughly before making decisions.  Remember: there are details that haven't been discussed, and every state is different.  Here's more information

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